Not Happy With KN At The Moment

[angeloflust]

Trying to help by complaining and whinning about people not helping the lower lvls?

xethra said:

So in my personal opinion ive NEVER head a WORD from the 70-80's.

And please read what Mandy just said:

Second, as much as I don't want to say this, this guild is not a charity =/. I hate it when people come into a guild and EXPECT to be helped. I don't want that to sound like we won't help guildies out though. KN is a very friendly guild in my opinion, friendlier than some, and I do think that many of us have and will help others, but it should never be expected. We're all busy with our own things, trying to get to 99, etc. I for one, and Sara said this too, have never seen you ask or been asked for help at all. If you had asked, I can't say that I would've turned you down. It's very easy to level with/slave a monk. On the other hand, not everyone likes receiving help or a slave, which is another reason why people may not have volunteered.

Reason I suggested this thread to be locked was to encourage the person to just step out and not remain hidden so we can do what we can to help. And things being said here will just go round in circles.

[diddlywinks]

yes, this guild is not for freeloaders.
if u really really need help, why dont u just start a post if u want help lvling...or there can even be a list or something so higher peeps will know who needs help when they have some free time (btw a lot of us are in skool or work right now so its not like we can spend all day doing what we want either).
but i do have to agree that sometimes the guild isnt as welcoming to all its members. u just gotta take the time and effort to get to know these cool peeps. just cause they dont respond to u doesnt mean they dont like u or are too good for u. i think KN is one of the most friendly guild out there, i mean we're even nice to people we dont like

also i dont think this should be locked cause this is a guild issue and it might just come up again...

[Sean whose too lazy to sign in]

I really should have started my original post with apoligizing to Mr./Ms. Unknown.. Im really sorry the guild gave you that kind of impression or whatev.. if i had time between my early morning work and afternoon classes, id be more than happy to help you in any way i can, when i can tho ofcourse.

Butta yea.. I will defend what i've said in the past about people leaving.. the thing is as previously mentioned, No one should really stay in the guild if they arent happy.. or comfortable in the least. That doesnt Nelson wont work with you.. if anything you should come to him about it first and see what he or the high council can do.. i mean thats what the high council (and nelson) is for.. to bring yer problems to them n' hope they do something about your situation in reference to how it'll help the guild as a whole.

Although if bringing your problems to Nelson or the High Council doesnt work and your still not satisfied or comfortable with the guild, then Yes i stand by what i've said in the past: If your not happy here or comfortable in the least, you shouldn't stay. I'm not saying this with any negativity but I wouldn't want anyone to stay in KN if they didn't like it.. ofcourse knowing Nelson and the High Council, im sure they'd do what they can to accomadate (sp?) any member that feels out of place.. but yeah, if it doesnt work out and you still feel uncomfortable.. you should seriously leave the guild. I mean this games about having fun.. or atleast in my opinion it is. If the guild is preventing you from having just that.. then by all means leave.

And thats just my opinion. hate it or love it, whatev i guess. I could have used better rhetoric but im fucking lazy to put more thought into this. =/ (you can thank work for that?)

- Sean. (a non-lvl 90 btw)


Oh and i know i haven't addressed all the issues individually.. sorry, im jus lazy =/


pM me in game if you really want my thoughts on each individual issue i suppose. (i'll even throw in a kiss.)


sorry, boys only tho. =/
and i miss dada. -_-


okay seriously, im done. lol

[hanfeizi]

I cleaned the thread. Behave, kiddies, or I will invoke a lock on this thread.

Oh one more thing, I didn't move this to Ranter's since I want to give Mr. Anonymous chance to reply, unless he or she decides to come out of the closet.

[arashi]

hanfeizi said:

I cleaned the thread. Behave, kiddies, or I will invoke a lock on this thread.

Oh one more thing, I didn't move this to Ranter's since I want to give Mr. Anonymous chance to reply, unless he or she decides to come out of the closet.

Ok.......I'm sorry Han and no offense, but as far as I know you were given the moderator title on our forums for the sole reason of viewing the High Council section, NOT to edit posts or to threaten with locks. I appreciate your concern but I'd also appreciate it if you let the High Council/Nelson do their jobs themselves. Please don't abuse the moderator powers just because you have them. Our guild, our forums......thank you.

....Sorry if this is flamey but I was a touch more than peeved.

[angelus]

lol?

[Hard Gay]

err...hanz is cleaning up our forums? booooooooo.

we will not be supressed!! *throws kunai* RAWR!

>_>

[konoka]

none the less those ppl that are70+80+ dont get any help and if u say u didt get help ur lieing im 86 and have been so for some time no one cept kite has helped me lvl so if u say no one helps thats proable true cuz ive noticed any one thats 90+ or trans tend to be stuck up or just an ass so if u think thats not true ur lieing ur ass off

[Miyo]

Well Konoka, I'm sorry to say this, but I think you've got it all wrong. I have never seen you or anyone that is saying they havent had help at least ask. Just because we don't offer to help doesn't mean that we're stuck up, chances are that we're busy with our own leveling. Do you know how hard it is to level a trans class? Do you know how long it takes to level when you're in the 90's? If you really need the help, I suggest you ask. I'd be willing to help whenver I can. I'd also appreciate it very much if you don't call any of the high leveled people asses or stuck up. They've been in your position before and they've made it. Take Galeon as an example, he's in the 90's and he solos most of the time. I've always solo'd since I've been dancer. There's only been 4 times that I've been helped by someone, but that's cause I either paid them or they want to just pay me back cause I've helped.

So yah.. just try asking someone for help instead of not and complainin that no one helps. =]

[angelus]

Konoka, that was just wrong to say that about anyone who's 90+ or trans, I don't play this game to help other people, Why should I waste my time helping your sorry ass because you can't be arsed to EVEN TRY and level and just moan about the fact that you don't get free heal slaves (YOUR NEVER FRIGGIN ONLINE ANYWAY!), get your head out of ur ass because 90+ people and trans are not stuck up.

p.s. Can't wait till your 90+ and I can call you stuck up and an ASS!

[Kinjutsu]

this isnt really necessary, we're letting an anonymous person start a war here. close this thread.

[jennchan]

I really don't think that the person's motives were to start a war. If it was, they'd say more hateful things. To me it sounds like this person just wants the boost the guild moral, help the the lower lvls motivated or whatever. It is difficult to leval when you're soloing all the time.

Angelus, I really hope that you aren't a FS Priest because usually FS Priests are made to aid others in their leveling journey in the first place. You don't get the point. They aren't asking for 24/7 help. Maybe the person does try their best to leval themselves but sometimes, they just need that extra little boost to get themselves to the next lvl. Telling a person to get off their ass isn't going to solve a damn thing. Stop acting all high and mighty and just try to understand the person's perspective.

Some people (like me), are usually too scared to ask for help because they figure that they'll just get refused the help anyway. Its not a good feeling. Give this person a break for goodness sake. Flaming the person just may be making it worse for them. Be courtious and kind. Think of others feelings and how you would feel if you were in their shoes.

[Kinjutsu]

theres no point in commenting if he's anonymous because he left, and he's making guild suggestions that no one is gonna listen to so, lets stop wasting our time people.

[angeloflust]

All the Admins in this forums already know who that person is, including me. But in any case, if you really want help, just ask. Dont wait for us to come to you.

[arashi]

@ Konoka - Sooo, according to you, MOST of the guild is either stuck up or an ass? Since MOST of the guild is 90+ or a trans class and all. Just because we're trying to level ourselves doesn't mean that we're either of those things, and I think it's a very bad assumption to make. Like Matt said, it'll be interesting when you're 90+, you'll find out just how hard it is to level one.

@ Jenn - While it may be true that many FS Priests were probably made with the intention of helping another, that doesn't mean they have to. My own Priest was my second character, made because my first RO boyfriend convinced me to make one so I could help him level his Knight. That does not however mean that it is now my sworn duty to help people just because I happen to have a Priest. Quite frankly, that's a bit discriminative. Also Jenn, you have a Priest yourself, do you offer to help/slave people with it on a whim?


I don't think that the 70s-80s quite know just how hard it is to level a 90+ character. As I've stated in my previous post on this topic, I'm a level 97 Priest and I get about 3% in one hour if I'm very lucky. I think I've only acheived that rate of exp with an SD Sin X. So until you've gotten to that point (or at least a point close to that), I'm not so sure that the lower levels should be quite so critical of the 90s. Also, I have to say, I play this game for myself. I don't pay twelve dollars to Gravity every month so I can be expected to help people because of my class. Let me also point out that I have never been approached by the 70s-80s for help, if I had then I probably would have helped. Nobody in this guild (Priests and other classes alike) is psychic in any way, shape or form. We cannot read minds, we do not know when you want help, you have to ask for it. Plus like I said before, not everyone wants help leveling, which is why people may not be asking you if you want it. And again, people are busy with themselves, leveling, etc. Personally, I'm trying to save up money to buy a Christmas present for my boyfriend, so usually I'm either leveling myself or heal slaving for zeny. And I'm sure people (myself included) would be willing to party with you or slave you in exchange for loot.

So yeah, it's not as easy as you guys might think to be 90+. And take into account that we all have our own things to do with our paid time.