Not Happy With KN At The Moment

[Unknown]

First, I would like to say that I want to remain unknown. I don't want to feel ganged up on if I left my name. Secondly, I'm not pointing fingers. I'm making points and maybe even suggestions into making the guild a happier and positive place for everyone that is either already in the guild or future recrutes.

I have been thinking these past few days and a lot of these points I'm about to bring up have really made me feel strongly about quitting the guild. Let me begin.

The guild is friendly, yes, but clicky. Seems as though if you aren't in the 90's or if you aren't a trans class, you aren't worth bothering with. I personally, have been feeling left out and belittled. Is there no one that wants to vollenteer their time to help the 70's and 80's their levals? Some of them, its getting very hard to get parties or to even solo. Offer to help them! If they refuse the help, at least you asked. A select few keep getting rewarded while other's struggle for just a hint of recognition. I noticed a couple complaints about the Guild Events. I know Nelson is doing it for us, but really, us honestly is a few people. Its not fair if someone wins three times in a row and gets three sets of prizes while others try so hard to win. It isn't fun either.

Suggestions seem to be lost in the wind. I've seen many helpful suggestions that would most likely work but no one wants to bother with them. We could at least try them and if they don't work out, then that's it.

I really like this guild but it makes me feel bad when I see this kind of stuff happening. Please, I beg you, take this post into consideration!

[Kinjutsu]

1st, leave your name so we know who wrote this.

[Miyo]

I think there was a reason why they didn't put their name down....

[angeloflust]

First of all you know... just cuz some people are very low, dont think that the higher lvls dont want to help you. They're busy lvling themselves too, either that or sometimes they're just not in the mood? . You cant just rely on people helping you lvl though. There are times where you have to work very hard for yourself. Every high lvl'd character goes through these things. ;;

And as for the games and events, if you're not happy cuz you cant win and jealous cuz some people win two or three times in a row, you're just not sport enough. Its a game, there's nothing unfair about someone winning many times(Unless its obvious that someone's "cheating" like how me and Mandy saw, but I aint pointing out names). Nelson's doing this for us, yes. And what he gets are rude complaints about other people not being able to win.

---Edit---
If you cant find a party in our guild, try and look for one at the middle of alde, and dont say priests dont want to lvl with monks. Cuz I see monks that go there get parties. Yes, the majority of them likes wizards. But dont lose hope. /ok

[zero]

1. If ur a priest and within my share range hook me up whenever i am on o.O

2. Well i basically quit alot of my other chars including priest, monk and sin but if u want me to bring it up from the dead just hook me up o.O

3. i won't bite lol =p

ps. yea i know its hard to get to know everyone in the guild but if u actually make an effort to get urself noticed its a good way to get people to know you. I believe most of them in KN are friendly but just ermm sometimes busy and couldn't be bothered to guild chat. So yea just take it slowly don't push it u'll be fine

[angelus]

To be totally honest, get off your arse and level. We have all had to do it, just because some of us are in the 90s doesn't mean that we're supposed to help anyone and it shouldn't be expected.

Like Kriz said, We've all done it, I'm sorry but I want to get 99 as much as the next person so why should I stop my levelling time to Heal slave someone else?

and are you by any chance taking a dig at the Priests? because I can't really see how a 90+ wizard can help you, Unless you are a priest.

At the end of the day, Don't sit their expected to get help off people, If you wanna level, go level. Don't sit around and whine about the fact that we are not helping you.

[vanillie]

Well since I too am both one of the lowest lv chars (or was) and I am also brand new to KN and partly new to RO as well.
I wanted to but my piece in on this one too.

First of all if you really do have issues with the way you are being treated I seriously doubt that making an anonomous post is the way to go.
I can partly undestand why you wanna stay unknown BUT if we don't know who you are.
All we can do is say a lot of wise words instead of actually coming to you IN game and giving you the actual help that you seem to seek.

Secondly my own experince of this guild seems very far from yours, I for one have had a wonderful welcome and have been offered a lot of help.
And when I say help I don't exactly refer just to lving but to much much more like advice on all those things they went through when they were low lv.
But there are ofcourse days when Guildies are busy with their own lving, because thay ARE higher lvs than us.
and I will not even begin to expect of them to drop everything to go lv with us, they wanna get lvs too even if they are already WAY up there.
And when there is one of those days where they are lving their own asses, you should do the same in order to more quickly get up there within sharing range.
For belive it or not they lv slooooow, we don't! ... yet ;P
So it's not an impossible task.

Thirdly about the guild events, I don't belive that anyone would have the upperhand and I DO belive that everyone works equally hard to get the prices.
So instead of letting it bug you like that, be happy for those who DID win and who DID get lucky.
Cause i know id I won something and was happy about it there would be no freeking way that I would be doing that in order to make evryone feel miserable.
And I wouldn't want anyone to think that way about me kinda spoils the fun for everyone, cause thats what its all about FUN and if you can't handle the competition don't be a part of the game.

(and OMG this is getting loooong)
And just to wrap it all up.
In everything you do it's your OWN efford, your OWN responsibility and your OWN determination that decides the outcome of anything you ever do.
KN is a well established community with people that have known eachother for a looong time.
So whoever you are and regardless of how nice you are you are still gonna have to work hard to earn you place.

And I'd better stop babbleing now >_<
but on a side note and off topic here, Thank you all in KN for all the help i DID get, you all have you wierd little quirks ;P but so do I.
I love it here and hopeto stay for a long time.

[Xethra]

I have to agree with Stella, But also.
Who ever you are,and i have my guesses.
Ive never been asked by the lower levels for help.
Ive offered Stella help for example,I'm glad to help if I'm not busy with my own. I know that theres been another post in the forums giving "pointers" about our Geffenia set up. In that case i offered my help, But it was never seen through.

So in my personal opinion ive NEVER head a WORD from the 70-80's.

[-=Essence=-]

well said every1 id type up a long speech but i have skool soon and i will just be repeating wut u guys said xD.. all i have to say is if u dont give us ur name we cant take it seriously because it culd be a stranger trying to break us down or something....And obviously from the reaction to the ppl on the post we will try to help u out b4 we scowl and harass u online so just leave us ur name and junk please

[arashi]

Pretty much everything I have to say has already been said here, but I'll say it all anyways xD.

First, I just wanna say that I know who the original poster is, as does every admin that reads this topic I'm sure. It would probably have been a better idea to say who you are, that way the people that aren't aware of who you are can more thoroughly relate to you and the issues at hand.

Second, as much as I don't want to say this, this guild is not a charity =/. I hate it when people come into a guild and EXPECT to be helped. I don't want that to sound like we won't help guildies out though. KN is a very friendly guild in my opinion, friendlier than some, and I do think that many of us have and will help others, but it should never be expected. We're all busy with our own things, trying to get to 99, etc. I for one, and Sara said this too, have never seen you ask or been asked for help at all. If you had asked, I can't say that I would've turned you down. It's very easy to level with/slave a monk. On the other hand, not everyone likes receiving help or a slave, which is another reason why people may not have volunteered.

Also, for the 90+ people it DOES take a lot longer for us to level than it might take the 70s and 80s. Take myself for example, I'm 97, and as a priest I HAVE to party, if I solo it takes me a good 2 hours or so to gain 1%. In a share party, I get 3% an hour if I'm lucky =/. I would think that it would be easy for you to find a party, because as I said before, partying with a monk can be some of the easiest leveling in the game. Personally, I'm out of range with you but I'm sure that the lower leveled priests in the guild would party with you.

So again, please take into account that everyone has their own agendas.

On the topic of the guild events, I was quite peeved the other day when people were complaining about them. I found it very rude and all too bold. Let me make this quite clear, Nelson spent over 10 million zeny the other day out of his OWN pocket so that he could do a fun event for us, how dare you complain?

"I know Nelson is doing this for us, but really, us honestly is a few people." It was a game, for us to have fun with, not to incite such greed over not being able to win something. Think of it this way: If 8 people play the game and there are 8 prizes, each time someone wins a prize, they step out of the competition. When it's down to only 1 prize and 1 person left, would the last person win by default? Sounds like fun to me....... .

During the second event, the scavenger hunt, I had to sit out, because I'm a priest and I can't go kill monsters to get the needed items. Did I complain? No. Because I was having fun and I knew that I would get another chance. And what about all the people that weren't even on to partake in the events? Consider yourself lucky that you at least had a chance, while many people did not. Plus there was several other people that didn't win prizes either, but said that they still had fun.

In short, if you can't seem to win or are not having fun, simply don't participate, rather than making everyone else feel like crap for winning something. Again, Nelson was doing the event for us to have fun with. He's referred to us as 'his children' before, that's just the kind of person he is when it comes to the guild. Any complaints about the event were just like a slap in the face...

That's really all I have to say =/.

[nhatmobile]

I know who it is!

[iStalk]

if you are not happy w/ the guild, then by all means leave the guild, as sean stated in his past statements, we dont want to keep anyone that isnt happy w/ the guild. Sorry if i cant tend to everyones needs, try being a leader. I know its hard but the reality is, when your higher lvl u want to lvl yourself and get to that 99 fast, maybe people are just busy, since i dont know who you are, then im just gonna say leave if you want, Good luck finding another guild. Try joining WAVE or GEFFEN or Flare CoS, Ultima.Weapon, maybe there better than KN i dont know, try demise, maybe they all lvl together. Were not the perfect guild. If you dont like my leadership, then find another guild, im already stressing w/ school and trying to keep everyone happy, the last thing i need is this.

So if whoever you are, if your not happy w/ the guild, by all means leave and find another guild that makes you happy.

And to everyone else that feels the same way, leave the guild. To everyone else that can put up w/ this thank you, you all knoe were busy and have obligations, thank you for your support.

- Nelson

[Konohamaru]

i wanted to quote myself from a long time ago but the post has been cleaned. =/


Everyones pretty much said what i'd say essentially. i don't needa add to the pot.

[gale0n]

Well in my case I'm lvl 92 but whenever I'm on, the priests are already leveling with someone or off doing something else. But even that doesn't really stop me. I really want to get to 99 and so I buy around 1000-2000 white pots daily to level. It's hard, horribly slow and lonely but just the thought of getting 99 motivates me to do it. But well, if you really need a priest to level with, keep in mind that we are part of an alliance. You don't have to level with the priests in the guild. AE is a very priest heavy guild and they're always happy to level with us.

As for the events I realize that I did win 3 times in a row that last time. BUT! keep in mind that before that event I never even got close to winning anything in any of the events. However you should also understand that these events are made for the entire guild to enjoy through competitiveness. It takes hours of preperation and thought to do these events. No other guild would even bother doing events like these or hand out prizes like us. I'm sure Nel feels like he got slapped in the face because a few members are being critical of how the events were handled.

By the way, I started my novice before comodo with only a sakkat and a blade. I soloed for over a year just to get to 70 and even after I hit 70 I kept leveling while only having a max hp of 500, no stat bonus, poor gears and no help. All while controlling 3 major guilds and supporting permanovices lower than me. From my point of view, none of you have any right to complain about leveling. After helping Nelson getting from 98-99 I can honestly say that getting from 1-70 on a novice is much harder than going from lvl 98-99 on another char. So please don't complain openly about leveling. It angers me and discourages the other members.

As you all know I probably die more than the entire guild combined on a daily basis. I do get frustrated and angry but I just take a short break then I log back on and keep grinding. Lol, I just realized people who are 90+ don't call it leveling anymore. They call it grinding. If you ever ran 10 miles barefoot on a beach nonstop that's how it feels when I level.

[rexweapon]

I'm new to the guild and although I'm 90+, the majority of lvling I've done whilst here has been solo or with randoms.
I've asked a few times but I understand that people are going to be busy especially trying to get to that goal of 99.

Perhaps you will understand more when you reach the 90's and realise just how much effort it takes.

Not all of us are getting help from the guild, but that shouldn't matter - just keep at it, and remember we're all striving for this goal too, eventually you'll get there.